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[Debs.]

Sometimes, though, I don't think being "British" is something to be proud of. Do you reckon these guys support the BNP? 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/greece/5385619/British-men-dressed-as-nuns-stand-trial-in-Crete.html

they're certainly guilty of bad habits 

I`m getting cross, it seems British society is losing the last vestments of decency and is teetering on the abbess!

You becoming religious on us, or did you mean abyss

  Nun story: Cross, vestment....abbess; gettit?

[bob.dent]

Firstly.......come on boys and girls, play nicely on this thread.
I have to say that most of my voting life I've voted Tory for what little good its done, but one pattern always emerges and that is when the Tories are in and make a hash of thing, Labour get in. When Labour get in and make a hash of things the Tories get back in. And so it goes on.....Tory, Labour, Tory Labour. The result is that neither of these parties could run a p1ss up in a brewery let alone the country.
We now have a situation where we are constantly bullied by Europe, British nationals are treated like second class citizens while immigrants are welcomed with open arms and given all the handouts going, parents, police, teachers etc. are no longer allowed to discipline unruly children or teenagers resulting in unprecedented crime and anarchy in some areas, and I could go on and on about just how bad things have become.
For the first time in my life I really am considering voting BNP. I don't believe as some people have mentioned on here that they are the bunch of thugs or Nazis they once had a reputation for being. This is the 21st Century and I think to liken BNP to Hitlers facist Germany of pre WW2 is living in the past.

[theowletman]

We live in one of the greatest democracies in the world, well we did until we got an unelected foreigner as PM. Why do I call him a foreigner ? Can you imagine the Scots having an Englishman as their leader ?Not a chance, so why should the Scots have any say in England? Anyway, back to my point, the BNP, whether you agree with their policies or not, are an established, legitimate party, have met all the rules and are perfectly entitled to stand for election. The first time a party is banned because their views are not the same as the other parties is the end of democracy. Let the voters decide. They may have some different views but the Labour shower are playing into their hands with their lies( we were promised a referendum on the Lisbon treaty )misuse of public money ( too many examples to list here )and the will to give Billions of pounds to those who have paid nothing into the system etc. etc. Has anyone seen the queues at Patras in Greece on the news, thousands of Afghans trying to board ferries to make their way here? We don't know who they are or what their intentions are, yet nothing is done to discourage them. The BNP say that they will put an end to this and it is gaining support from the electorate, they are doing what all of the other parties have done for years, preying on the popular issues and winning votes for doing it. It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid

Thank you LK for that personal insult.

Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with 

This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars.  In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.

In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear.

Just wondering why your playing that card again? There really is no need for it.
Wars have been started over Politics and Religion, I personally don't want things getting out of hand again, if I remember you thought the same the last time this happened..
Going back to the dissapearing thing... I have laughed and enjoyed alot of your posts but I sure aint going to be running and begging people to stop   

I am not "playing" at anything LK! I do not waste my energies in that way, and I aim to appeal to no one, just to honour my conscience and freedom to express politely my beliefs.

Just because I have the audacity to again put up political argument over an extremely serious issue for this country and its people, that I know many are very concerned about, I once again receive orders to shut up or as you stated "give it a rest".

If you cannot stick with this type of serious thread LK, I suggest you stick to talking about washing machines and pink things SORRY LK my frustration is coming out there in a stupid comment not just aimed at you!! . I however will continue to argue as much as I want in this democratic country that this forum lives in. As others have said this is healthy, but for those who do not like it as you obviously do not LK (I know what you mean about Politics & Religion LK, but sometimes some of us have to get fully involved in such discussion ), then my advise is DO NOT READ THEM, then you will not become upset.

But, as I originally said LK if it is decided political debate is not welcomed on here, then quite willing I will disappear because it will become no more than a sterile car forum.  This is no "playing a card" threat, just a statement of fact.  If that is what all members want fine, but judging how "General Chat" is such a popular section with some really juicy subjects for adults being discussed, I  do not believe that is actually what they want, BNP supporters or not!!

[feeutfo]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

[Lizzie_Zoom]

Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid

Thank you LK for that personal insult.

Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with 

This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars.  In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.

In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear.

What's this, agree with me or i'm off. I wish our polititions were like you Lizzie.

Sorry, but that is not what I said Pete.  I was answering the accusation that I again was "banging on" about politics and my views, and should "give it a rest".  I counter argued that I will exercise my right to express my feelings, whilst accepting others can do likewise in our democratic society.  However, my main point over me going was that if such political discussion was banned on the oof I would do everyone a favour and disappear as it would become no more that a sterile car forum, like so many other lesser ones!

I am here until a) I am chucked off for being too vocal, which I do not appoligise for b) the OOF bans the General Chat area to political debate; c) the OOF closes down, or d) I receive anymore direct personal insult out of line with the OOF Guidelines, just because I do not agree with everyone.  Sorry, but I have never been like that socially or in business, achieving high success because I was not a "yes" woman.

Finally I am fed up of defending myself just because I whole heartedly enter into a debate using experience, knowledge and my own conscience.  Please forget about me as a person in these political debates; the message is what is all important. 8-) 8-)

[Lizzie_Zoom]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet!   We may be spared yet!

[feeutfo]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet!   We may be spared yet!

Your welcome Lizzie.

Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.

[mantahatch]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

[/highlight]
And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

First highlight, yes I would agree wholeheartedly.

As for the rest I partially agree, but what choice are we left with ? no mainstream party is seams able or willing to do what a large chunk of the population seams to want. The recent revelations in the telegraph seam to prove they are only out to feather thier nest and stuff the rest of the country. I personally am only left with 2 legal options, not to vote or vote for a real outsider in the hope it will shake things up. I thought about not voting, but I have allways voted. ukip is just what the tories used to be and is splitting the tory vote and possibly allowing gordon brown back in.
I am sorry but can someone suggest a legal way of protesting against a corrupt system.

I have only voted for them for the MEP, not local and will not in a general election.

[crazyjoetavola]

Then you are as daft as them I'm afraid

Thank you LK for that personal insult.

Not meant as a personal insult, just what I am seeing Lizzie, you as well as myself have seen people in past threads going on and on, we both know where these threads end up. Just surprised that you have now fallen into the same trap, something I thought you didn't agree with 

This is a big topic, that is far more than just about the nuts and bolts on our cars.  In other words it does require intelligent democratic debate, and no matter how long it goes on for as in Parliament. I have strong feelings on this topic, but If political debate is not welcomed, then let's ban that topic from the OOF and just talk cars, and absolutely nothing else.

In which case I will do you and everyone else a favour and disappear.

Just wondering why your playing that card again? There really is no need for it.
Wars have been started over Politics and Religion, I personally don't want things getting out of hand again, if I remember you thought the same the last time this happened..
Going back to the dissapearing thing... I have laughed and enjoyed alot of your posts but I sure aint going to be running and begging people to stop   

I am not "playing" at anything LK! I do not waste my energies in that way, and I aim to appeal to no one, just to honour my conscience and freedom to express politely my beliefs.

Just because I have the audacity to again put up political argument over an extremely serious issue for this country and its people, that I know many are very concerned about, I once again receive orders to shut up or as you stated "give it a rest".

If you cannot stick with this type of serious thread LK, I suggest you stick to talking about washing machines and pink things. I however will continue to argue as much as I want in this democratic country that this forum lives in. As others have said this is healthy, but for those who do not like it as you obviously do not LK, then my advise is DO NOT READ THEM, then you will not become upset.

But, as I originally said LK if it is decided political debate is not welcomed on here, then quite willing I will disappear because it will become no more than a sterile car forum.  This is no "playing a card" threat, just a statement of fact.  If that is what all members want fine, but judging how "General Chat" is such a popular section with some really juicy subjects for adults being discussed, I  do not believe that is actually what they want, BNP supporters or not!!

extremely serious issue for this country and its people

.......that fact cannot be stressed enough Ms Zoom and it's incumbent, on those of us who recognize it to be accurate, to consider ourselves entitled, and indeed duty bound, to publish it


I however will continue to argue as much as I want in this democratic country that this forum lives in.

.......as you must Mz Zoom, members of this forum need have no fear of such well reasoned and balanced arguments.  Long may you continue to apply that reason

"General Chat" is such a popular section with some really juicy subjects for adults being discussed, I  do not believe that is actually what they want, BNP supporters or not!!

......I heartily agree Ms Zoom, this section compliments the forum immensely.  I am always impressed by the humour, the technical knowledge and the desire of members to discuss most subjects - but more importantly, the willingness to offer assistance to others who are in need.

That's the true worth of this group - but it would be a lesser worth if this General Chat section was not populated by individuals such as your good self who were prepared to discuss any relevant matter in a reasoned and open-minded way:y

[crazyjoetavola]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet!   We may be spared yet!

Your welcome Lizzie.

Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.

Well spoken Chris

[Elite Pete]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

Thanks Chris!! 8-) 8-) 8-)

Looks like you, I and a few others are singing off the same hymn sheet!   We may be spared yet!

Your welcome Lizzie.

Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.

Oh believe it, and believe it or not I predict a big increase in the amount of people who vote for the BNP.

[crazyjoetavola]

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Cant beleive what i'm seeing here frankly.

Oh believe it, and believe it or not I predict a big increase in the amount of people who vote for the BNP.

Irrespective of the outcome Pete this a pivotal point in the political process  and the outcome might well have severe ramifications on the domestic front for some time to come

[Darth Loo-knee]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

Am I not allowed my opinion like everyone else? What has it do do with anyone on here who I vote for or not?
As for being uncalled for telling Lizzie "to give it a rest" I frankly don't give a toss what anyone else makes of that, like it or lump it I afraid.

[Markie]

It is not the competency of the BNP that is increasing their vote, it is the incompetency of the other parties.

And there we have it finally.
There is no middle ground it seems, from labour to Nazi just like that?

Very very disappointing responses to the op's question. "We" have people here in the uk "we" dont like. So "we" turn the country to the most detested evil minded murderering morons the world has ever seen, in world history there has never been a more evil detested movement, that half the planet came together to destroy, and we want to vote for them do we? Have "we" lost "our" minds?

 Have "we" no concept of hypocrecy much less any sense of evil?

Bnp are a POLITICAL(means liars) party, there for they must present as acceptable a face as possible to justify their presence, to get votes, to meat their own ends. They are Nazis under it all, end of.
 When have you ever seen a politician or political party talk the truth to get elected? How do you think Hitler got in? You wont see death camps in his manifesto.

And LK you went too far in your response to Lizzie.

Am I not allowed my opinion like everyone else? What has it do do with anyone on here who I vote for or not?
As for being uncalled for telling Lizzie "to give it a rest" I frankly don't give a toss what anyone else makes of that, like it or lump it I afraid.

I agree wholeheartedly with Mr Vadar  .

Those that dont want or like BNP can simply choose not to vote for them. Those that do care for them can vote for them.

Neither side has the right to condem or insult the other over their choice.

Politics is all about diversity, debate, and from time to time agreeing to disagree.

Like Elite Pete I think massive inroads will be made by this Political Party very very soon.