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[STMO123]

WTF is in the water tonight 

Keep it pleasant. Debates are welcomed, arguments are not.

Oi, you, don't be taking it out on us. Its not our fault. We don't even know what a steering rack is.

[TheBoy]

WTF is in the water tonight 

Keep it pleasant. Debates are welcomed, arguments are not.

Oi, you, don't be taking it out on us. Its not our fault. We don't even know what a steering rack is.

You ain't gonna be able to walk once I ram said rack up yer jacksie

[STMO123]

WTF is in the water tonight 

Keep it pleasant. Debates are welcomed, arguments are not.

Oi, you, don't be taking it out on us. Its not our fault. We don't even know what a steering rack is.

You ain't gonna be able to walk once I ram said rack up yer jacksie

OOOOOOOOOO. Who needs Christine.

[albitz]

Getting back to the bigger picture - for those who werent around at the time or who have selective memories,Simon Heffer wrote an excellent article in the Wail today describing 1070,s Britian,pre Thatcher.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306092/Margaret-Thatcher-dies-The-woman-saved-Britain--verdict-3-historians.html

[paul.lovejoy]

just make sure you give him the rack dry.no lubricant he can take it

[STMO123]

Getting back to the bigger picture - for those who werent around at the time or who have selective memories,Simon Heffer wrote an excellent article in the Wail today describing 1070,s Britian,pre Thatcher.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306092/Margaret-Thatcher-dies-The-woman-saved-Britain--verdict-3-historians.html

We're past caring, Albs.

[05omegav6]

Getting back to the bigger picture - for those who werent around at the time or who have selective memories,Simon Heffer wrote an excellent article in the Wail today describing 1070,s Britian,pre Thatcher.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2306092/Margaret-Thatcher-dies-The-woman-saved-Britain--verdict-3-historians.html

At last an interesting, informative article from the Daily Mail. I think I need a lie down

[cleggy]

Let's blame the late greatest post war Prime Minster for all the ills brought on this country like a plague of locust. For gods sake please do some reasearch, this country was brought to it's knees by a union led labour government, similar to the last lot

As for her being responsible in any way for the crime or cover up that was Hillsborough I suggest you really do need to look carefully at the libel laws before spouting such nonsense

I respectfully  suggest that some either get their facts correct or shut the freak up

[albitz]

Her vision.
"A mans right to work as he will
To spend what he earns
To own property
To have the state as a servant,not a master.
These are the British inheritance,they are the essence of a free economy,and on that,all other freedoms depend."
10th October 1975.

[cem_devecioglu]

Interesting statistics that lie behind the miners' strike:
 
1969 was the last year when coal accounted for more than half of Britain’s energy consumption. By 1970, when the Conservatives were elected, there were just 300 pits left – a fall of two thirds in 25 years.

By 1974 coal accounted for less than one third of energy consumption in Britain. Wilson’s incoming Labour government published a new Plan for Coal which predicted an increase in production from 110 million tonnes to 135 million tonnes a year by 1985. This was never achieved.

Margaret Thatcher’s government inherited a coal industry which had seen productivity collapse by 6 percent in five years. Nevertheless, it made attempts to rescue it. In 1981 a subsidy of £50 million was given to industries which switched from cheap oil to expensive British coal. So decrepit had the industry become that taxpayers were paying people to buy British coal.

The Thatcher government injected a further £200 million into the industry. Companies who had gone abroad to buy coal, such as the Central Electricity Generating Board, were banned from bringing it in and 3 million tonnes of coal piled up at Rotterdam at a cost to the British taxpayer of £30 million per year.

By now the industry was losing £1.2 million per day. Its interest payments amounted to £467 million for the year and the National Coal Board needed a grant of £875 million from the taxpayer.

The Monopolies and Mergers Commission found that 75 percent of British pits were losing money. The reason was obvious. By 1984 it cost £44 to mine a metric ton of British coal. America, Australia, and South Africa were selling it on the world market for £32 a metric ton.

Productivity increases had come in at 20 percent below the level set in the 1974 Plan for Coal.

Taxpayers were subsidising the mining industry to the tune of £1.3 billion annually. This figure doesn’t include the vast cost to taxpayer-funded industries such as steel and electricity which were obliged to buy British coal....

...She did not swoop in and kill perfectly good industries out of spite. Industries like coal and steel were already dead by the time she was elected. Thatcher just switched off the increasingly costly life support which had kept these zombie industries going.

John Phelan, 7 August 2012
http://www.thecommentator.com/article/1497/thatcher_s_achievements_will_long_outlive_the_spite_of_sheffield_s_sons_and_daughters

 

good numbers Nickbat.. but why dont spend some of your time to find how much interest British tax payer pays every year to those British Govt Debt holders and who they are ?

[Sir Tigger KC]

Whilst we are talking about unions, there was an article in The Sunday Times this week entitled "Miners' union leaders hit rich £250,000 seam"

Three officials of the Derbyshire branch of the NUM received combined salaries of nearly £250,000, with the branch General Secretary earning £91,142.  Derbyshire has no remaining coal mines and the branch has 4 members...... The three officials and one other!! 

And we think politicians are self serving!!! 

I would have linked to the article but as The Times is pay per view..... 

 

[05omegav6]

Whilst we are talking about unions, there was an article in The Sunday Times this week entitled "Miners' union leaders hit rich £250,000 seam"

Three officials of the Derbyshire branch of the NUM received combined salaries of nearly £250,000, with the branch General Secretary earning £91,142.  Derbyshire has no remaining coal mines and the branch has 4 members...... The three officials and one other!! 

And we think politicians are self serving!!! 

I would have linked to the article but as The Times is pay per view..... 

 

The Prosecution rests, your Honour

[cem_devecioglu]

and as for privatisation efficiency.. 
 
 
before national electric organization is privatised I was paying 1/3 of now.. 
 
before telecom organization is privatised I was paying nearly 1/5 of now including adsl( was slow I accept but now not far superior)..
 
before privatisation food prices (basic things like milk, meat, cheese), drinks was incomparably cheaper than now..
 
I can multiply the examples..  but more important than that , who puts that money in pocket.. not the nation, few sharks who works together with politicians
 
 

[cem_devecioglu]

Whilst we are talking about unions, there was an article in The Sunday Times this week entitled "Miners' union leaders hit rich £250,000 seam"

Three officials of the Derbyshire branch of the NUM received combined salaries of nearly £250,000, with the branch General Secretary earning £91,142.  Derbyshire has no remaining coal mines and the branch has 4 members...... The three officials and one other!! 

And we think politicians are self serving!!! 

I would have linked to the article but as The Times is pay per view..... 

no surprise .. capitalist system first eats into the moral values of community.. and the unions wont be an exception..

[05omegav6]

Without union bs, our coal would have been cheaper, therefore our electricity would have been cheaper, and probably supplied by UK based companies rather than the French

Cheaper power = cheaper goods

And as for unions being community minded, the NUM branches mentioned are probably funded from the interest paid on the subscription deposits from the tens of thousand miners sold out by the very people they claimed to represent.